Wow Dan .... you humble me...great wisdom is in your words....thankyou.

My apologies to all for my failure to be softer in my approach..

Blessings upon your Giudance and I patiently await your questions with much gratitude!

I wish to warn you that what you are about to read will change your belief system forever and your right..... you have a larger crowd if it's not raining.

The video kinda sums it all up in three hours or so...

You may find my wevsite useful as well ...it is http://www.allcreatorsgifts.org

Blessings upo n all contributors that make this site possible....

Magic words Dan ..awesome.

owlmon,
I shudder at the words you have spoken and the wrath it may arouse.

I could care less what you have spoken toward me and even less that they were not directed toward me.

You have spoken senseless, unsubstantiated words toward one of the most revered, dedicated and respected spiritual Elders to live on the face of the earth in these times. One who knows more facts than all of us combined.

Speaking of facts, I understand what you are presenting and that to you it seems a solution. However, as a solution it won't fly all by itself. There are still facts missing. We must continue to dig deep and find those facts.

That's what I am doing, searching for facts that can not lie.
Prairy

Good morning Owlmon. I have spent about three hours reading in the Talmud site and am continuing the effort. (I am a slow reader).

The information there is expertly woven and complex, but mostly seems to be an indictment of the dangerous Pharisee Arrogance that permeates this otherwise great Jewish work. In fairness, it also looks at the good aspects of the Talmud. Generally I am left, so far, with a sense of alertness regarding its possible errors of thinking, (the "chosen people" syndrome), entering the law structures of Capitalist melting pot Nations. The thought has crossed my mind that this Pharisee infection goes well with the corruption of its host, (the Supreme Court), and that this whole activity is the natural karmic process that America has earned. I have not embraced this thought as part of my own belief system and it is merely speculative in nature...at this time. I do tend to believe that the whole shebang has to become rotten and collapse, before More and Better can be constructed. If surgery was attempted now, (assuming that it could be done), there would be nothing left to rebuild with. Of course all of this is from second and third hand experience with capitalist america, such as the media and things learned from books and the internet. I suppose it is quite possible that i could be convinced of some individuals sincerity and goodness, if i were to get to know them better. But, alas, we all know that is not going to happen. I can only pray that the "good" that are up in those circles of leadership survive and that the "bad" do not.

My apologies for meandering and not getting to the point that prompted me to write this message.

It would help me a lot if you would guide me to the "problem" as it pertains to the Ghostchild Movement and the "solution" that you have spoken of. Until you can do this for me, I will continue to read in the site, for a while, in the hopes that I will discover these important elements myself.

I hope you are having a good day. And am looking forward to your help in this matter.

Respectfully Submitted, DAN 1

Hi Dan,
Good to see you at the fire and contributing to this discussion. I don't mean to intrude in your ongoing discussion, but have been thinking over a few things owlmon said and wanted to leave word.

Dear owlmon,
you earlier stated;

Yes, in this we are in agreement, yes it is about exposing "Their" fraud. However, "Their" fraud has been exposed time and time again in many areas and on many levels.

GhostChild, KaNeeKaNeet, ThreeEagles and many more Chiefs, Clan Mothers, Spiritual Elders, and even you, have come forward to Expose "Their" fraud(s).

I understand what it is you are trying to expose and share and all the hard work it was to research and put together. I have been on the same fact finding path you've been on for many years and understand what you are sharing.

The fact remains, there are a few Facts or pieces to this whole puzzle/equation that are missing to this day. Either we find the missing links or go forward in a court of law or we become the stewards of the land. Period.

Because there are NO Civil Rights in Canada, then going through a court of law will never work. The U.N. will never work. The only thing that will work is telling the appropriate parties that it is time that the Proper caretakers take Stewardship of the land back and put it in place of the rightful caretakers once again.

At this point, the People on that side of the fictional border, have no other recourse.
Prairy

Good Morning to you Sister Prairyearth. It is good to see where you agree with Owlmon and your recognition of his work.

Can you write further of the missing pieces? Of course if the pieces are missing, it will be difficult to describe them. Maybe you could say what the empty spot is between? Approximately where is the void that we need to restore for a better picture of this issue?

Only in my broad belief that "all things are connected", do I sense that the Talmud Issue is important to the aspirations of the Ghostchild Movement. Beyond this vague feeling, I am still in the dark. But I read on.

You see, I dont get how the Pharisee Corruption can directly affect the Renewed Stewardship and Sovereignty of the Original Peoples of Turtle Island. I do not see the Leaders of the Original Peoples of Turtle Island being influenced by the Pharisee bigotry...directly.

I can see, in my imagination, that these negativities found in the Talmud can influence certain elements of the Old White Fire of the North and that this influence could cause military harm to the emerging Original People's Coalition. But this danger already exists in the Racial Bias of the White Race. The Law Systems of the White World will not, hopefully, have any effect on the Original People's Law Systems because of the alertness of the Original People's Law Systems. It would be wierd to see an alliance between the Semite and Aryan, but all things are possible...especially in this confused world.

Perhaps, all that Owlmon asks of us is for us to be alert to this Pharisee danger. I believe we would be able to agree to that. Is that all that Owlmon needs of us?

Whatcha think?

With Love and Respect, Brother DAN 1

Hi Dan1,
Yes, you make some good points and bring up some good questions.

This is why I was not in favor of getting into Talmudic, Mishna, or Gemmera Law. These subjects are literally so vast that one can spend an entire life time sifting through, reading and discussing volumes of law according to this Rabbi and that Rabbi and oh, well, time seems to be running out. Or maybe not. But when you have spent the past 20 years of your life as I have reading up on these things, one realizes that this is not the whole picture and can get hung up wasting your life away in ancient law texts.

In my heart I don't feel that at this day in age we can blame all the corporate corruption on the Pharisee's or the Sadducees any more than we can blame the ever changing stealthy bestial greedy man eating mentality machine on any one sect or religion or political party. This Unseen force of Greedy Power is a shape shifter in which those afflicted can not see what it is they are doing.

Historians will tell you of great empires that have risen and fallen over the millenia, all complete with different religions, cults, god's and goddess's, rulers and serfs. None of these empires last forever. However, somehow, the shape shifting sickness, like a virus, manages to survive and find a new host to multiply in...thus, another Man eating Empire is born.

Uh oh Dan1, somehow I've gotten off topic. I will be back later to try to put the missing link question into better perspective. I'll end on a note from Roger Water's. Yes, it's a bit satyrical, but brilliant observation. Prairy
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[TV Evangelist:]"Do you believe in a better day?
Do you have faith in a golden way?
If you do, then we must come together this day
Come together as one, united television audience
Brought together by the sound of my voice
United, united financially, united socially,
United spiritually, and all possible ways
Through the power of money
And the power of prayers...."

What God wants God gets God help us all
What God wants God gets

God wants dollars
God wants cents
God wants pounds, shillings, and pence
God wants guilders
God wants Kroner
God wants Swiss francs
And God wants French francs

(Oui il veut des francs francais)

God wants escudos
God wants pesetas
Don't send lira
God don't want small potatoes
God wants small towns
God wants pain
God wants clean up rock campaigns
God wants windows
God wants solutions
God wants TV
God wants contributions

What God wants God gets God help us all
From Amused to Death by Roger Waters
Edited by prairy to change yellow print to black

Good Morning Prairyearth. Please know that I appreciate what you have written for us here. It does add to the information we need to decide what to do about the issues of this string.

I too would not value immersing my life into Law of one sort or another. I am content with the "Golden Rule"...it works pretty well.

I believe the "shape shifting sickness" is what Humanity has when fear has not been evolutionally supplanted with the courage that comes with the knowledge of how to Love. I do not believe that I will live to see the day that this sickness will dissipate into the "mysts" of time gone by. I content myself by searching and occasionally seeing its absence in an individual Human who has learned how to Love more than most. Each discovery of this is my reward and hope...my encouragement to keep believing that it can be. This "sickness" is the darkness that yet resides in our species, but it is light to believe that this will not always be so. Let us keep doing what we can to rid our self of this disease of the Spirit within us.

The T.V. Evangelists will get what they have earned.

I am looking forward to your next post dear Sister. It is always good to read the results and pathways of your own quest for Better and More.

With Respect and Love, DAN 1

Minister, Do Not Confuse My Silence With Consent, You Are Ego-Ant: And You Are Working With Darkness: I Will Not Follow: I Will Not Walk That Way, Nor Be Dictated Too, Clean It Up Or Piss Off: I Am Done With Those Who Can Not See....

P.S.: The SASKATCHEWAN PROVINCE OF CORPORATION Ignored Your "Letter Of Agreement" Now Why Was That? I Guess They Do Not Agree? There Is No Law: ONLY CORPORATE POLICY=MARITAL LAW.....Get With The Program.....The GhostChild.

Here, hopefully, is a continuing discussion brought over from the links page. Please bear with me, computer tech is not a strong point of mine.

For starters, What is "God's" real name? And, if folks don't know "God's" real name, why or to whom are they praying and what is it they are praying for?
Prairyearth
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Silent Warrior - Enigma

Long ago, for many years,
white men came in the name of God.
They took their land,
they took their lives,
a new age has just begun!

They lost their Gods, they lost their smile.
They cried for help for the last time.
Liberty was turning into chains,
but all the white men said:
That's the cross of changes.

In the name of God!
In the name of God, the fight for gold,
these were the changes.
Tell me, is it right,
in the name of God,
these kind of changes?

They tried to fight for liberty,
without a chance in hell, they gave up.
White men won in the name of God,
with the cross as alibi.

There's no God who ever tried,
to change the world in this way.
But for the ones who abuse his name,
there'll be no chance to escape,
on judgement day...

In the name of God!
In the name of God, the fight for gold,
these were the changes.
Tell me, is it right,
in the name of God,
these kind of changes?

Tell me why, tell me why, tell me why,
the white men said:
That's the cross of changes!
Tell me why, tell me why, tell me why,
in the name of God,
these kind of changes...

http://www.sapphyr.net/songlyrics/enigma-silentwarrior.htm

My Dear "WhiteMinded" Family,

Owlmon---accept this comment from a Jacobite---what exactly---is your
purpose in this EGO ridden endeavor? Please get REAL. Simplify, simpilfy,
simplify. You, my child, are as close to dancing with the Angel of Death as
I, so where is the need, at this time in our life, for all of the excess baggage?

SPEAK YOUR WORD and omit all of the extraneous BULLSHIT that goes with it.
Condense YOUR wisdom for us as your gift to the family. Is this NOT what Wisdom
is ALL about?

Right now---I am bored with what you have to offer as I have heard it all before.
GET REAL first and then seek to lift others to where they may belong. You do not
have the luxury of TIME on your side---my friend---first one must meet rheir
friend or adversary on a common ground to achieve success.

The term you were searching for(for me) was ASHkenazi---I am a Jacobite of the Tribe of Aaron ...

LightSeeker**********(I Guess)

Person=Personnel=Crown Employee Of The CORPORATE MONARCH'S Of Europe....


I Am Sorry, But Can Not Abide By Denial Based-Doctrine Obsessed-CORPORATE POLICY.

What You Have To Offer Is Self Promotion....I Promote Other's Whom Posess The Good Heart And Good Mind In Their Writings That Focus On These Issue's That Create The Problem. You Have Become My Problem, Now You Will Be Removed By Me. My Love To Mr Elice, May You And Him Grow To See The Error's Of Your Ways.

Now Had You Walked With Us, You Could Have Provided The Information For The Christian's Whom Have Lost Their Way, But Instead You Decided To Fuck With Me Instead, And Cast Your Eyes Down Upon The Rest Of Us Still Standing.

Prairy, I Am Sorry, He May Have Held The Keys, But They Broke Off In The Lock To My Heart And Mind. We Are Days Away From Switching The Site Over To Read Only: I Have Had Enough Bullies To Last A Life Time.....The GhostChild.

I have sat by in fear now for some time,for those I love! BUT, this takes it! let me remind you Owlmon, we call Mother Earth Mother for a reason! You seem to have no respect for a woman who is a Clan Mother and someone I think of as a friend! Even christ had great regard and respect for women! Mary Magdaline was a trusted advisor and a disiple! It was the Catholic church who painted her a whore!

I will tell you that yoour rantings remind me of a place "school" I grew up in for a while? So, tell me why is it those like you fear women who are more than your equal? Forgive me Okimowocon, ghostchild, but this ravings tend to get my temper up! as for our Clan Mother Prairy, she is quite capable of taking care of hereself! Yet, there are those of us you offend when you offend her!

If you feel thr need to put religion into it, Technically WE All put Christ on the Cross! Meaning..... We all have blame, those who choose to do nothing, those who act without thought, well intentions.... "the highway to Hell is paved with them!" I think it comes down to which is the lesser of two evils? At least those here are taking action!

Search religion and ask if Christ ever belittled women or men? He ate with prostitues and the worst offenders in the jewish eyes, tax collectors!

The better part of vallor Owlmon....apologize and go on!

Respectfully, Taa

[/QUOTE]If you want to learn the truth it will not be by me emailing you as you will have to work to get it....by going through the links as I have wasted to many hours on arrogant and foolish students to put out my valuable time to those who in vain ignorance wish to argue..

.BTW Women are to lead us out of this mess so I have faith that will transpire......are you the one? Men are to proud of their stupidity to get smart....[QUOTE]

BTW:What is it you teach? As I recall this"mess" was created by all of us,male and female!

Why do you ASSume,we need a teacher? Perhaps your students have seen you for what you are! And DO NOT insult the man that is my father! He is and has never been Stupid! OH, just in case you did not get it, look at the root word of assume! Taa

Good afternoon everybody. Prairyearth did a fine job bringing this string here to the discussions area. Well done Sister!

Prairyearth you asked:

I suspect that God's "real name" is known only to God. Perhaps this is so that "It" cannot be evoked. It can be supplicated but not evoked. It takes a name to evoke. Evocation implies control and God will not be controlled. It will do the controlling as per Its Will...Its design.

Therefore, "God" is only one of countless sounds applied to It.

People pray because they believe in the existance and involvement of It. They believe that It will respond in some way that will help the prayer's need.

They mostly pray for themselves, but sometimes for correction to error beyond themselves. Correction being seen as the path to More and Better. (Evolution)

They are praying to their idea, or notion of what It is. This changes to include more, and become closer to the Truth, as the "prayer" evolves.

I have endeavored to answer as simply as I could. Hope it helps.

With Love and Respect, DAN 1

Dan, Good point! From all my readings on the subject God has two unspoken names? Neither of which is to be known? I suspect this is for good reason! I was told once by a wise woman," Do not be religious...be spiritual, do not be a christain,but be christ like! And most importantly walk softly upon Mother Earth which the Creator gave to All People!" Respectfully, Taa